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Hey Bcorr :) I hope you like the place and choose to stay.

Some links that may be of use:
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Nice work on Sovereignty association! However, don't forget to bold the title in your introduction. You can use three 's, like '''bold'''.

Keep contributing! :) Dysprosia 04:44, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Archived talk

• Mediation on Gujarat Riots page

Could I propose you to look into the Gujarat Riots page.It is hardly neutral and at this point of time it reflects the opinions of BJP sympathisers who have two fold agenda: 1. Mix it with the Godhra train fire episode.BJP has been promoting the line that it was a natural repurcussion of the burning of train while the media and secularists tried to separate the two. ( 2. Showing that the events were beyond control of Narendra Modi the chief minister and improving his image when his actions and inactions were decried in national and international media and he was denied visa to the US on these grounds Ideally the presentation of the article should be:

  • 1. Summary
  • 2. Causes
  • 3. Effects
  • 4. Point of view of Hindu organisations and BJP
  • 5. Point of view of Indian National Human Rights Commission
  • 6. Point of view of International Human Rights Organisations and Governments
  • 6. Enquiries into the incidents and their reports
  • 7. Criticisms of the enquiry by BJP
  • 8. Arrests and Court cases
  • 9. Present Scenario

Thanks - there are some users who have presented their blatantly biased POVs on talk pages - they should be removed from editing

Hello there. I have been inactive for a while, but I am finally responding to your request. Please see my proposal at Talk:2002 Gujarat violence#Proposal for informal mediation from Bcorr. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to ask you. Who made the edit above your comment? Not to be personal, but the person seems to have a clear POV.Bakaman Bakatalk 17:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Bakaman. If you look at the edit history, you'll see that it was Also, I didn't make the above-referenced proposal to please that particular user, but because I thought I might be able to help. Editing is now underway at 2002 Gujarat violence/2006 revision -- I hope you will participate according to the guidelines on the article's talk page.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 18:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

One thing I might request you to do is kickstart the project ONLY when Netaji gets back. It is an article he cares about, and since I have Wikiproject:Bengal taking most of my time, he is usually the only person who moves the article from anti-Hindu stance to just facts. Right now, sorry to say, but the article looks like it was written by the Pakistani government. I have deleted some inflammatory lines. If you have any influence over terryJHo, please tell him not to make the page extremely POV, other than that I have to say you are a brave soul. Bakaman Bakatalk 04:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bcorr, I am ever ready to listen to your advise.Please let me know if I am wrong at any stage.TerryJ-Ho 18:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I just feel taht the article is not really reflective of the true situation.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I guess using "cesspool" was too adventurous but calling women and children Hindu zealots is extremely POV. I made some changes to the article and decided not to comment on the talk page anymore because of hounding by certain users that hate me. I will try to balance the article with sourced and fact-based edits.Bakaman Bakatalk
I have been working to cite sources. Could you tell me what "NC" means? TerryJHo has suggested that the whole attack on the train and riots were a conspiracy. Actually, just look at the article talk page its easier to sort through. Bakaman Bakatalk 15:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Bcorr : The whole article is a mess and better be called as Hindutva perspective of Gujarat Riots.TerryJ-Ho 11:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like you to note this edit justifying the death of civilians in mass killings which the British daily Guardian referred to as "rightly described as Genocide" [1]. I suspect if edits from these editors could ever be neutral and encyclopoedic. Are there no guidelines/ actions on WP against such hatemongering. 17:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help

Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See .

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See: This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Here are some links that might help. This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:


Also note his contributions: Featured articles: · African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. · Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edits. Potters house 00:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

I apologize about the delay in responding, Potters house. However, from reading Talk:Johnny Lee Clary it appears that the issue is now moot. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Wikimania

Sorry, Bcorr. I was planning to go and give a talk as requested by Essjay on the UPF Encyclopedia Project, but my boss there didn't approve this.

I'm sorry I won't be seeing the gang there. It would have been a blast! --Uncle Ed 15:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• George Washington...

This topic has been heavily discussed on the talk page and a consensus has been reached. Then you just came and added deist without any evidence or saying anything on the talk page. Can you please show me where Washington says he is a deist? Unless you can provide it you are adding an opinion. Historians do not say he was a deist they simply do not know. 20:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I am mistaken, but looking at the talk page I can see no such consensus. Also, if you compare the current version with one from July 30 I believe that I have simply been one of many people to restore what has long been the general consensus about Washington's beliefs.
Also, I didn't "just come and add deist without any evidence or saying anything on the talk page" -- I simply restored information that someone who was not logged in removed in the last few edits -- again, as have many other editors.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Sry but an anon editor added deist to the infobox with absolutely no source whatsoever while Washington's religion wasnt listed for at least over 3 months for a reason. He added it from august seventh (Today):

If there is a source where Washington says he was a deist I will not touch it but until then it needs a source. Anon editors cant just come in and change big info without sources.

Both sides agree that the subject is a matter of debate as well as historians do not know. I dont understand why you keep reverting.

22:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI, this anon editor is banned user:Jerry Jones/user:JJstroker. His ban was due mostly to pushing, plagiarism, and edit warring. -Will Beback 06:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Will -- that explains a lot....I appreciate your note. BCorr|Брайен 11:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks

Hi, thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. Nelson50 20:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome -- I'm happy to help! BCorr|Брайен 12:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Edits to Truck

You asked me for advice on what I think regarding the reverts to the Truck article. The anonymous IP added the word 'human' to create the sentence "A truck is a motor vehicle for human transporting goods." Regardless of the fact that this sentence does not flow as well, it makes it unclear if the truck transports goods for humans, or is for humans to transport goods. You reverted this change back to the original sentence, a change which I support. The anon IP came back two minutes later and made the same edit again [2] - which I promptly reverted back to your edit. The note you left on my talk page says "I do take an accusation of violating policy rather seriously", but I have in fact reverted the anonymous IP The edit summary (automatically inserted and not of my creation) was directed at him, not you. I am sorry for any confusion this revert may have caused. --Llort 12:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, Llort. I now see what you mean. I've been inactive for a while, so I'm trying to be sensitive, but I was oversensitive in this case. Also, I haven't been around for the development of many of the automated editing tools, so I didn't really grasp the "good faith" part, but it is now clear. I'm sorry to have bothered you about it. Thanks again, BCorr|Брайен 12:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Crossposted to User talk:Llort

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rmrfstar (second nomination)

I don't understand completely since my edit wasn't about the rfa itself, but I won't revert. Thanks for your courteous note. Attic Owl 15:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi again -- yes, your edit wasn't part of the RfA dicsussion, but that's actually the point. When there's a note asking that an archived page not be modified, it applies to the entire page -- otherwise the integrity of the page can be called into question, and there's also the slippery slope regarding what edits are acceptable: small notes? typos? misstatements? clarifications? changes of mind? And thank you for your courteous note.
Thanks again, BCorr|Брайен 15:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Wikimania

Brian, it was great meeting you too. Have seen your name since the beginning of the Wikipedia epoch, so am glad to have a real-life meeting. Hope you don't mind if I contact you about your views on the early history. Cheers! -- Fuzheado | Talk 11:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind at all -- in fact I'd love to. Just email me whenever you'd like to "talk". Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 12:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• Atlantic Monthly

Thanks, Trödel pointed that out to me, and someone else slapped a {{high-traffic}} template on my page. All very odd. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for the Marshall Poe Rowdies... Alai 17:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

And just remember, Big Brother is Watching You... :-) BCorr|Брайен 20:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

* Regarding 2002 Gujarat violence

Thanks for your input. I did not mean to sound "final" as you put it. I merely said that I think all sources need qualification so that bias is not there. Since many sources ARE biased (liberal socialists, secular fundamentalists and radical Islamists vs hindu sources) we must be careful of this terrotory.Thanks and have a nice day.Netaji 23:50, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I would rather ask this user to mention all the sources that he considers as neutral and then we can have a detailed analysis of who is wrong and who is right.A secular fundamentalist would probably be more neutral than a Hindu or Muslim fundamentalist.Do you agree BCorr TerryJ-Ho

• Civility

Yep, this is certainly civil. "move La Vérité to Truth#Classical philosophers section as per talk. Note: This is not removing the picture, as that would be in violation of User:Jim62sch's edicts". Primary point is that I despise censorship, and everytyime I see someone try to remove that picture I am reminded of Ashcroft having several statues covered because the showed, gasp, a breast. I assume you were also refering to my edit on the AfD for Truth Theory, yet there was certainly nothing uncivil in that edit -- Google is over-relied on. Additionally, I was hardly just responding to you, but rather making a point re Google and it's use to defend articles on Wiki. Sorry if you took it as incivility, but that was not the point. •Jim62sch• 12:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW: I know that you're a good editor, you needn't defend yourself regarding that (at least not to me). I just get miffed about certain things and sometimes type in a fit of pique (or high dudgeon).
Also, the pic on your talk page is rather interesting -- a rotting hulk you found somewhere? •Jim62sch• 12:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, one other thing, this "(remove misleading faux infobox opinion about La Verite which has been placed into a box as if it were some official Wikipedia policy infobox)" was Jon Awbrey's, which everyone more or less agreed upon. •Jim62sch• 13:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative reply, Jim -- I appreciate it. I also apologize for my edit summary -- I was a bit testy, and I didn't need to mention you in it or refer to an edict.
I made an (erroneous) assumption that because the wording in your reply was similar to the infobox that you had created that as well. I am also sorry about that. I understand your position on these issues and detest Ashcroft (and Gonzalez) as well.
In terms of the picture, I had never though of any implications there might be from its presence on this page -- I just like the colors and the subject, and I really enjoyed my drive on the day I shot it (driving from Houston to Anderson, South Carolina in one day, via the SE corner of Oklahoma -- my only time in that state).
Thanks again,
BCorr|Брайен 02:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


What are you reffering to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

I am referring to this edit to André 3000, this edit to The Squid and the Whale, and this edit to Racism
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 19:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
What I removed from the squid and the whale article was unfounded speculation with no textual verification that made the article unencyclopedeiac,as was that on the Andre 3000 article (speculated details about a celebrity's personal life taken from thier ability to ACT on a show are not wikipedia-worthy), and the description on Affirmative action as positive discrimination constitutes NPOV. Simple edits to articles, which anyone reading them with a certain degree of scrutiny might make, do not merit a talk page topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
I'm afraid you still need to use the talk pages and edit summaries and not simply delete information without explanation or comment. This is especially true as you are editing without an account. Thanks again, BCorr|Брайен 20:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• edits to Ron Dellums

{{Template:Test2a-n|Ron Dellums}} Argyriou 15:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Please re-read my edit summaries and the talk page (over the last few months) for the article. Also, I find it strange that you would use the term "vandalism" for my reverting to an older version to restore information that was part of the article being listed as a candidate for a good article, while not immediately restoring the dozens on in-line links. In any case it's been cleaned up now. And you might think twice before long-time editors of vandalism. Please see Wikipedia:Civility for more. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 17:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Your recent edit summaries were misleading - in both cases, your revert was removing information; you weren't reverting the removal of information. None of Justforasecond's edits yesterday or today removed any information from the article. The fact that the article was a candidate for a good article and that you have been editing the article in question make your actions in removing significant amounts of information that much more questionable. Argyriou 18:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Looking back at them I can see why you might say this, but here is the situation. I'm including screenshots of the diff of this edit(with the summary "restore deleted information from the article and remove POV additions. I don't have time to re-add the web references now, but I will do that later today") that I made on my screen, it looked as though my edit (on the right side of the page) was adding in significant chunks of text. I did it quickly, and didn't look carefully through it to see that the balance between the left and right columns was uneven, making it look clearly like I was adding a lot back in, and simply removing some links to external (from Wikipedia) web pages.
I will be more careful in the future, but I will continue to watch the article for balance and to help keep it from turning into an article that focuses primarily on the criticisms of Dellums as hypocritical and as a sell-out. BCorr|Брайен 22:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Reverting at Wikipedia

Why did you use automated anti-vandalism tools here? The editing seemed to be a quite reasonable attempt to improve the article. Jkelly 22:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. It seemed like a questionable set of edits with a somewhat obnoxious edit summary, and was from an anon IP on a very prominent page. I did think about leaving or reworking it, but the removed information from the first edit, I felt, ought to stay in the article, and the second edit I thought was not well written and its point was a bit fuzzy, so I went for the revert button. Perhaps it was a bit "the easy way out", but it was a judgment call on my part. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 22:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. Jkelly 02:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks!!

Thanks for removing my note on the Open Tasks page.. I have no idea how that one happened. Was trying to leave a note for an anonymous user... --Bobblehead 23:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem -- sometimes the database does weird things. There was a while when notes on talk pages for one anon IP would show up on a completely different page. The mystery of the wiki.... BCorr|Брайен 23:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• Complaint

Please don't use admin rollback to revert non-vandalism edits, as you did on Psephos. Also, don't revert without explanation. Margana 12:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

When an user is engaged in what is approaching a revert war (as you were in the article as is demonstrated in the article's history, using the revert tool (a.k.a. "admin rollback", and which automatically does not give a separate explanation other than reversion to the prior editor's version) is reasonable and justified. You made the same basic edit 16 times in less than a month despite a number of different editors removing your edits as Nor following NPOV. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 17:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• hi BCorr

Hi BCorr. If you have noticed my comments have been very civil. But some guys seem to act like big daddies around here, having their own vested pre-concieved notions, stalking the users who do not adhere to their diktats, don't u think so? Violates the spirit of Wikipedia to some extent I would venture to say. --Geek1975 12:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Refrain from characterizing the objectivity of other users.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Gujarat name-callin

User TerryJho has called me a fascist here [3] and here [4]. He also has insulted Netaji in the same breath.Bakaman Bakatalk 00:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if calling someone a fascist is violation of Wiki-etiquette, fascism is a doctrine, some subscribe to it and advocate it, some don't.... should'nt be an offence, or am I wrong here? --Geek1975 07:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

What a load of bull from Geek. He knows perfectly well TerryJHo meant "Nazi". He called the democratically elected president of India a fascist also in the same page. I request that you confront him and tell him and his tag team buddy Geek to stop name-calling. Also just because myself and Netaji do not subscribe to his POV, he has tried to get me indef banned. Bakaman Bakatalk 14:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure how to respond, other than to say that I will check out the page that has been referred to under the care of the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal and check in on how things are going in the revision. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 18:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Tea page


I understand that this looked like a commercial plug, however I would like to point that the recipes are not the products, these are free recipe developed kindly by professional cooks:

I would also like to point out that below down the page a very comparable link to iced tea page on a commercial website exists:

10 part series on the history of iced tea

So it appears to me that you are not consistent in your strategy, either this is authorized or not. If it is not then fair but remove the other commercial plugs. If it is permitted please reinstate my link.

Kind regards, marc. (unsigned comment by User:Mweiersmuller)

Hi there,
Is is against policy. I noticed your addition and it did merit removal. However, I didn't go through and check all the links in the article. That in no way means that other commercial links are OK. We're all just volunteers here, and we notice and fix what we can. I will go back and remove the link you mentioned, now that I'm aware of it. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 19:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
P.S. I left you a welcome message on your talk page.

User:Subhash bose

The "wrong version" essay says that "there are no reports of a sysop ever having protected the 'right' version" but you protected the "right" version. BhaiSaab talk 22:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Hospitality Club link in the peace article


I am new to editing articles in Wikipedia, so please forgive me for my mistakes. I read the Wikipedia:Spam page that you recommended. When adding the Hospitality Club link to the article, my intention was not to promote a site. I only thought that as the Hospitality Club is a peace organization, it should be mentioned in the peace article. After all, the Hospitality club has peace building as an objective and this is related to peace in general. That's why I added the link.

But you seem to disagree?

Best regards,

"Wiki-Amateur" (unsigned comment by User:

Thanks for your reply. There have been a number of people in the past who are connected to hospitality services and have shared your feelings about puttings links into the peace article. The general consensus here is that despite the goal of building goodwill and peace, these links do not belong in that article. The other issue is that generally external links are to provide more information on a topic, but not as a way to drive traffic to the external site. While it is a judgment call in some cases, sites with numerous Google ads or other revenue-generaing links (such as the one you added) usually don't make the cut unless they are extremely relevant to the article -- such as the AFS hospitality link you added to the AFS article.
I hope this helps. Thanks again, BCorr|Брайен 12:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

• RE: George Washington removal...

I removed the deist from the info box because there was no information or source on it. So its ok to have unverifiable information on wikipedia? What kind of encyclopedia is this?

No reply as this is a sockpuppet of banned user:Jerry Jones/user:JJstroker. BCorr|Брайен 13:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• from Neil Steinberg

Dear Bcorr:

Having read the article on Wikipedia in the New Yorker, I was inspired to look at the history behind my entry, and noticed your quick and timely removal of the awkward slam inserted into my profile. I wanted to say I appreciate it, and was curious as to how you could identify and fix it so quickly.

Also, I have a question. The last item of my profile was added immediately upon a legal trouble I had last fall. I decided to leave it up, as recent news that was germane, but thought that, after a year, I would see about having it taken down, replaced with information about the book I am writing for Dutton on the subject. Would this be appropriate? I don't want to be accused of whitewashing my profile, on the other hand I don't think that means I have to leave insignificant negative slurs up -- the case was dismissed.

Neil Steinberg

Dear Neil,
Thanks for your note. I think I was probably just checking the recent changes to articles and noticed that someone who wasn't logged in made an edit wihout a summary, and when I looked at the article about you -- as you saw in the history -- the previous edit added in material that was neither neutral or terribly informative, so I removed the whole thing. A lot of the volunteer editors and administrators (like me), do our best to check for vandalism and biased editing when we have a bit of time. It's actually an important part of the culture of the "Wikipedia community."
In terms of the article about you, I would say that you should not edit it yourself unless you create an account and log in, and then first leave a note on the article's discussion page (talk page) explaining the proposed change. Even then, you might want to wait a couple of days, and then change only things that are completely incorrect. Alternately, you could leave a note on the talk page asking someone to make the change. But you are right to be careful and ask -- as you know, many people (including some of your colleagues in the media) assume that anyone editing their own entry is up to no good.
And finally, I will look at the article carefully and see if I (as an unbiased party) think I should edit it.
Thanks again, Brian (BCorr|Брайен 14:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

Please respond on my talk page

There is no correspondence between geek, terryjho and myself anymore. This is in response to his hate attack of me [5] and his vandalism of my user and talk pages. I am sorry to bring you this news but I feel it is necessary. The only Muslim user I will discuss with (at the moment) is Bhaisaab. I am really shaken by the past couple of days on wiki.(look at my talk page/talk page history)Bakaman Bakatalk 22:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi! Congratulations on being accurately quoted. It was great meeting you at Wikimania2006! Your Wikimania friend, CocoaZen 20:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I need help with a personal attack against me

User:SqueakBox doesn't like me. He has insulted me in the past and, recently, he was blocked for posting the following insult in his user page: "My greatest achievements here [...] have been [...] and restoring José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero from the POV of another user who claims to write about saints." (See the entry for August 21 in his block log) My nick, Hagiographer means just that, "to write about saints", so it's clear that comment is a direct attack against me. Furthermore, when I came to the article about Zapatero SqueakBox had already been banned from editing Zapatero's editing articles by the Arbitraton Committee (what can he restore?). And, in fact, I've never contributed or deleted information from any of those articles. I simply reverted some vandalism SqueakBox introduced as part of his harassment campaing against other user who was also banned by the same Arbitration Comittee decision. So, that paragraph is pure slander.

Taking WP:NPA into account, I believe that paragraph should be deleted or, at least, marked like what it is, a personal attack. I did just that [6]. However, SqueakBox removed it and User:Guettarda protected the page here. SqueakBox has had a lot of problems with other users and, sometimes, Guettarda has taken part in them. For example, in User:SqueakBox can be found a barnstar given by User:Guettarda in which he says that SqueakBox has gone beyond the call of duty in his fight against "strange" people in the article Javier Solana. WP:NPA states clearly that comments must be about content not users so it's clear that Guettarda and SqueakBox have cooperated in, at least, dubious actions against other users. It's also clear Guettarda is biased in favor of SqueakBox. In this edit in my talk page, he implies that I like looking for conflict, that I'm obsessed with SqueakBox that I've to settle down and so on, all violation of WP:AGF and unpleasant remarks.

It mustn't be forgotten that according to WP:OWN, user pages belong to everybody and I don't believe a wikipedian has any right to transform his user page in a platform to attack other users. So Guettarda's supposed protection of SqueakBox's user page (really of SqueakBox's insults) is very difficult to defend in my opinion.

I'm simply asking fair treatment. I don't believe I have to see how the Wikipedia is populated with insults against me. I believe SqueakBox can contribute useful edits without transforming his user page into a gallery of attacks. So please, either unprotect the page so WP:OWN can be applied, or remove the negative comment or mark it as a personal attack untolerable in the Wikipedia or, at least, explain to me why I have to bear that kind of treatment. SqueakBox has been blocked for that unpleasant remark, What is the use of blocking him and then keeping the insult? Thank you. Hagiographer 07:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Question from Boston Globe

I'm a reporter for Boston Globe writing a story about Wiki entries for local cities and towns. Interested to talk to contributors to articles. I saw your user name on the Newton history page. I'm on deadline, alas. Please contact me at by Sunday, Sept. 17, if you'd be willing to do a brief telephone interview about Wiki. Thanks! Thomas

Thanks Thomas -- that was a nice piece. BCorr|Брайен 00:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


What the heck was that you did on march 2 2004 to Mario Molina's page? check the history.-- 13:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. As I said in the edit summary, I replaced a copyright violation with a stub.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 00:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Your picture of the Zakim Bridge

Hi. I recently did a bit of an overhaul on the Zakim Bunker Hill Bridge entry, including setting your picture (ZakimBridge20040307.jpg) at the top of the infobox. I was wondering where you were when you took the picture, so I (or you, or anyone else, for that matter) could give it a more descriptive caption than just the name of the bridge. It's obviously up the Chuck (heh), but I don't know if you were on a boat or another bridge (the Longfellow, maybe?). Either way, it's a great picture. Thanks. JayDuck 04:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

2002 Gujarat violence

Could you figure out what is going on with this. It has been protected for almost 3 months now, with this fork, and I don't know whether the fork is good to go, etc. —Centrxtalk • 16:48, 24 October 2006 (UTC)



Hi, i need your help

One of your admin, Doc glasgow , is threatening me and blocking my account. We have a dispute in the definition on living person.

Please contact me for more information.



Race and intelligence

I don't know if you've looked at the article Race and intelligence recently, but it has over the years become a stockpile of information to support the genetic hypothesis. Myself and a few other editors have been working hard over the past few months to add more information about environmental factors, and other aspects of this topic, such as media portrayal to try to balance the article. I notice that you were active in the early debates on this article, and I'm hoping that I can convince you to come back and get involved again. What do you say? futurebird 18:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 03:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

Urban Renewal

As the original author of the Urban Renewal page you might like to comment on my suggestion there of doing some restructuring. Welcome any views.

Uneirlys 21:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Maine counties history

I notice you added a brief one line history for each of Maine's counties to List of counties in Maine back in 2003. I was wondering what your source was for this? Tompw (talk) 14:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Lillian e. Smith page

I just found the Lillian E. Smith page. It's very nicely done. I'm no good at using Wiki world bread crumbs. Could you point me to the person who put the page up so that i might thank them.

Robert Fichter, for the Lillian E Smith Foundation

Hi Robert -- the primary contributor was User:Gavin.s -- you can leave him a note at User_talk:Gavin.s
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 01:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


You are being recruited by the Money and Politics Task Force, a collaborative project committed to ensuring that links between government officials and private-sector resources are accurately displayed in relevant entries. Join us!

Cyrusc 16:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks -- I've signed up, but I'm not sure how much I'll be doing for the time being.... BCorr|Брайен 20:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:WilliamSloaneCoffinJr-pressphoto.jpg

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Ah, the ever-evolving photo policies. I didn't see this in time, but I have replaced with a new image with a proper license. Thanks for your work! -- BCorr|Брайен 11:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


User:Bcorr/Plautus appears to violate current WP norms against posting emails and against maintaining pages of evidence on other users ("attack pages"). Since you do not appear to be very active anymore, and since the case is long since settled, I'm going to take the liberty of deleting the page. Please let me know if you object. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey Will -- I really don't log in enough anymore -- I usually just fix things on the fly as I see errors. It's not a big deal, but thank you for letting me know. -- BCorr|Брайен 01:16, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


I've reopened this discussion here.--Vintagekits (talk) 10:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Michael Dellums

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Hi! As a bureaucrat on Wikipedia, I'd very much appreciate it if you would fill in your details on the newly updated Bureaucrats page. Thanks! Majorly talk 14:28, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge, 1630s

Hi. Please read my response to your message, on my talk page. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Second response available. I will assume from this point that you will continue to monitor that location until we reach a resolution. Cheers, Hertz1888 (talk) 04:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Data Crystal

Me and my mate were wondering if there is any way of taking over (becoming a bureaucrat) on this wiki: Data crystal , we are asking you because it has been inactive for a long time, and we were hoping to try and take over to help fix it up. I have tried asking people on this wiki but no one is ever on besides me, the only other contributions are random IP addresses that spam the articles (even more then they already are). If you could please reply on my talk page it would be highly appreciated, thanks (This message has been sent to most bureaucrat's). --MỸŠŦЄЯỸЊӘҒҒ (talk) 13:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Re-evaluation of bureaucrat status

Hi there! I'm posting to inform you of an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrat removal, which is of relevance to you as an bureaucrat. The discussion centres around whether bureaucrat status should be considered a 'lifetime' appointment like administrators, or whether bureaucrats should be subject to periodic reconfirmation in a manner more like the stewards. There is also consideration for a separate re-evaluation of the status of those bureaucrats who were promoted in the early days of wikipedia, when the standards at RfB were significantly lower than they are currently, and whether such users still retain the explicit trust of the community.

As an "inactive bureaucrat" (one who has not performed a 'crat action in the past year), we're particularly keen to hear your thoughts on these issues; in particular the following:

  • Do you consider yourself to still be a wikipedia bureaucrat in spirit, or is the flag essentially just a legacy? Do you have any intention of ever returning to being an 'active' bureaucrat?
  • What do you consider your position to be in terms of your 'mandate' from the community, in comparison to more recently-promoted bureaucrats?
  • Would you be amenable to surrendering the bureaucrat flag, or participating in a reconfirmation RfB, if asked to do so? In what circumstances would you consider such an action?

Your thoughts on these, and any other comments you may have, would be very much appreciated. We have set up a section on the discussion page, Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrat removal#'Crat comments, for such responses.

Many thanks in advance, Happymelon 23:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Have facts on origin/meaning of name of SANE and earliest history

I have some extremely early documents on the origin of the name SANE (My father was a founder). I don't have the time nor energy to fully edit the Wikipedia article, but would like to discuss them with you since you contributed some "debunking' of the acronyms. Can we connect via email (or god forbid, the telephone)? You may reply to my talk page (but I may forget to check it) or via "jeremy_r" at yahoo (you know the rest). Thanks. --Techguy95 (talk) 03:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

A new king of admin

Hello! I came about your name in the list of bureaucrats and was wondering what you think about this proposition, not necessarily in its absolute form but the general idea? Thanks!--It's me...Sallicio! 23:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

{{LoC Country Studies}} instead of {{Loc}}?

Hi, Bcorr.. I see that you made {{LoC Country Studies}}. Was there something wrong or inadequate about {{Loc}} (other than the name?) If not, perhaps we can simply redirect LoC Country Studies to LoC, or copy over the template. Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 16:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

D'oh! -- I had never run across it, so I didn't even think to check. Thanks for catching that (even though I was proud to have figured out how to make it based on the CIA one).
BCorr|Брайен 17:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Theodore Roosevelt

Hi, I noticed this edit to the article (removed (widely reprinted) "D." vandalism - Theodore Roosevelt didn't have a middle name). Since I noticed that you are the one who added the initial, I thought you might want to have a look. -- Luk talk 08:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Luk -- I appreciate the note. I even referenced it -- here is the source:, which is from the "Origin and History of the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America", published during his lifetime in 1916, and where his name with the middle initial is found on page 162. In my original edit, I included the citation as:

{{cite web |url= |title=Origin and History of the Federal Council of the Churches of Christ in America |accessdate=2009-03-20 |last=Sanford |first=Elias Benjamin |authorlink= |coauthors= |year=1916 |format= |publisher=S.S. Scranton Company|page=162}}

I'll go back there and leave a note for the editor in question.
BCorr|Брайен 00:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
BCorr, I'm quite certain that's a typo in your reference. There aren't any other relevant scholarly references to a "Theodore D. Roosevelt" in the Google books return your cite's from, and this New York Times article from 1899 indicates Roosevelt didn't have a middle name, as does this National Park Service page for Theodore Roosevelt National Park. Indeed, as the NYT article points out, giving him a middle name was a common error, and there are also a number of references that would support calling him "Theodore B. Roosevelt", "Theodore R. Roosevelt", or even "Theodore J. Roosevelt".
Frimairist (talk) 01:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's a typo. I found it after discovering that his son Theodore Roosevelt Jr. more conclusively had the middle initial "D". This is demonstrated by the fact the the U.S. Department of the Navy lists him as "Theodore D. Roosevelt, Jr." in a list of Assistant Secretaries of the Navy at While the NPS page is somewhat compelling, I wouldn't say it is enough to contradict the other sources, and the New York Times article is written in a rather humorous tone and makes a point about how the print media are often inaccurate, and I don't think it really is proof that TR didn't have a middle name.
BCorr|Брайен 02:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
That list is the only source on a search for "Theodore D. Roosevelt, Jr." and lists Theodore Roosevelt himself without a middle name. But David McCullough's Mornings on Horseback also explicitly states Roosevelt did not have a middle name" on page 19.
Frimairist (talk) 02:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
(His father being the original middle nameless Theodore Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt actually Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., and Theodore Roosevelt, Jr. being the third Theodore Roosevelt.)
Frimairist (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
One more thing: I did a more specific Google book search -- with over forty results. This reference from a 1895 publication relating the events of the year is, I think, rather definitive and completely undermines the 1899 New York Times article:
The Chautauquan, p. 484; Published by M. Bailey, Publisher, 1895 (note carefully that the caption "President Roosevelt" underneath the iconic engraving refers to his being president of the New York City Board of Police Commissioners, not of the U.S.) In this, he is clearly identified as "Theodore D. Roosevelt," and there is not a reasonable doubt about its accuracy.
BCorr|Брайен 17:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
As I pointed out above, similar searches - such as for Theodore B. Roosevelt - return similar numbers of results (in fact, the search for Theodore B. Roosevelt returns more contemporary results), and it returns no relevant scholarly works. Roosevelt: The Lion and the Fox does not contain a reference to "Theodore D. Roosevelt," although the Google Books return places it there, and the return in The American Nation: a History of the United States from 1865 to the Present‎ is a misparce of an image caption. If we are going to give Theodore Roosevelt a middle initial, B. would be the best choice, but the New York Times article that mentions the invention of a middle initial for TR (how, exactly, does the Chautauquan mention undermine the NYT article, aside from the use of a D. instead of a B.?) and the unequivocally middle-nameless Elihu Root I think supersedes "reasonable doubt" as to the accuracy of only two contemporary citations. Further, I am completely unable to find a name the "D." would refer to.
Frimairist (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, regarding Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.'s middle name: the family tree page of the Theodore Roosevelt Association's website lists the middle names of Roosevelt children Ethel Carrow Roosevelt and Archibald Bulloch Roosevelt but does not give a middle name for Theodore Roosevelt, Jr..
Frimairist (talk) 23:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how useful a source Google Books is for determining Theodore Roosevelt's middle initial. I just ran through all the possible middle initials and the only ones Google Books didn't turn up (admittedly often frivolous, but still published and archived) results for were "Theodore K. Roosevelt," "Theodore U. Roosevelt," "Theodore X. Roosevelt," "Theodore Y. Roosevelt," and "Theodore Z. Roosevelt." Ultimately, I think the existence of Theodore Roosevelt's middle name or initial is unverifiable at the moment. (talk) 04:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Oy. Frimairist (talk) 04:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

THERE IS NO D IN THEODORE ROOSEVELT'S NAME YOU JERK OFF —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbuilambui (talkcontribs) 19:50, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Facebook request

Hi Bcorr,

I noticed you left a friend request on Facebook for me, saying "it's Bcorr from Wikipedia." I haven't spent much time editing Wikipedia in years, but after looking you up I'm guessing you thought I was Sam Spade? When I used to edit, I was Asbestos.

— Sam Fentress 12:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Hi Asbestos -- I definitely knew that was you! I always appreciated your work and calm demeanor (I guess that goes along with the username). And BTW, unfortunately Sam and I weren't the best of wikifriends. In fact, he was the only editor that opposed my appointment to the Mediation Committee.
Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 12:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Côte d'Ivoire

Hello, Bcorr,
Thank you for adding your name to the list of participants and welcome to the WikiProject Côte d'Ivoire Template:=). --Zenman (talk) 07:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! BCorr|Брайен 18:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Theodore D. Roosevelt

I undid your edit because when you did that, you also reverted the edits regarding the going and coming back of the "very-long" tag and the moving of Political positions of Theodore Roosevelt to its own article. You can put back the D., so long as you do it from the current revision. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice and apologies -- I should be more careful about drive-by editing! Looks like it's already been taken care of now. BCorr|Брайен 14:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair use images of living people

Re: Carol Cleveland -- We don't accept the use of fair use images to depict living people. I've reverted you. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. I was wondering why there wasn't an image there.... I'm afraid that I just haven't kept up with all of the policies regarding images. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 21:07, 26 September 2009 (UTC)


Consider this a Brian-to-Brian greeting! It's always good to see another fan of Star Trek and vintage computers out there. I remember borrowing a TRS-80 from my grade school for a weekend and running some sort of program which animated a tap-dancing alien (I don't remember anything more about it than that!), but my own very first computer was a TI 99/4A. I ought to dig it out and play with the speech synthesizer some more. :) Happy memories! I tend to delete stray email messages unread, or I'll bounce them unread, by the way - you wouldn't believe how much misdirected email I get to my address. Best to have plausible deniability, I always say. :) - Brian Kendig (talk) 16:42, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Social Credit Article

Hi Bcorr:

I have made several changes to the Social Credit article, and would like to remove the neutrality tag. When you have a chance, can you please look at the article, and either remove the tag, or make suggestions for changes?

Thank you and have a great holidays. Chdouglas (talk) 14:47, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Bureaucrat discussion for Juliancolton RfB

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Unreferenced BLPs

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Can you please help me in deciding whether to stay at Wikepedia?


I am new to Wikepedia. MY first article was named for speedy deletion while I eas still working on it. Later on the same person nominated the same article again for deletion the second time based on same grounds. MY experience has not been good as my head was bitten off at the very beginning.

My reason for contacting you is because you have links on your page for newcomers and seem to communicate well.

I am trying to understand this consensus policy at Wikepedia. COnsensus is great as long it is informed consensus. Hypothetically if a handful of buddies get together and vote on Wikepedia that earth is flat, then consensus means WIkepedia to say earth is flat. What happens when consensus is based on false premise? Anyways, I will apreciate if you can enlighten me on this consesus issue. My experience so far is based on only one page titled Nigam Arora, the article that is now nominated for deletion. I have started a second page Radiation Monitoring in Nuclear Plants

As you may be able to tell, I am quite concerned about consensus that is not informed or based on lack of due dilligence. It appears that if something does not appear on first few pages of Google, it is deemed unverifiable. What happened to going to libraries? Google is great but does not show older references. References before 2000, are sparse at google. Also google does not include references fro subscription sites. Google also lacks in international coverage.All of the older paper based magazines, journal and newspapers are notavailable online or in digital form.

I Like Wikepedia and would like to contribute, but am greatly bothered by a process that seems to give weight to consensus no matter how ill informed or manipulated the consesus is. I DO NOT WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF FLAT EARTH SOCIETY; I am not saying that Wikepedia is a flat earth society, but rather trying to understand how to deal with editors when they do not do due dilligence and forcefully proclaim their ill informed opinions as facts.

Thanks for your help. --John williams 7 (talk) 08:39, 28 February 2010 (UTC)John Williams

—Preceding unsigned comment added by John williams 7 (talkcontribs) 08:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC) 

Pantheism tags

I would request that you read the following comment and consider removing the tags from the Pantheism article. All edits and reversions by me since January 2000 have been made on the basis of very careful academic accuracy. If the article looks way better now, it is because of this approach. The revisions and reversions I have made are not at all POV - I am extremely careful to avoid that. The major types of pantheism are presented in a neutral fashion without bias towards any one version. However, it is very important to keep in mind the distinction between pantheism and panentheism, which is not at all the same as pantheism. Many of the people occasionally popping in to edit this article are unregistered. Many of the changes they made have been unsourced, inaccurate, and very clearly written off the top of their heads. Any article on a religious topic in Wikipedia attracts a lot of unqualified attention and revision. The space provided to explain an edit is very brief and so I give brief explanations. If you think I should explain every reversion in detail in the Pantheism talk page, please say so, as it is easy to do so. However, I think it is questionable whether inaccurate or POV changes by non-registered passers-by merit such treatment. --Naturalistic (talk) 23:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

COPIED FROM PANTHEISM TALK PAGE: The old conflict stemmed from the fact that the two most frequent editors were 1. An opponent of Pantheism and 2. A persistent troll who has been banned many times from Wikipedia. The conflict was with one or two heroic people attempting to restore accuracy and non-bias to the article. These people eventually gave up because the two editors just mentioned would revert the material sometimes within minutes of it being edited, time and time again. Right now I would urge that you think carefully before restoring the POV removals since January 2010. To do so implies that they were removed for POV reasons, so you would need to establish that. It would be a disservice to Wikipedia readers, who currently have a reliable version, to subject them once again to inaccurate material. Most of the editors whose material was removed were passers-by who rarely appear again - so "reaching agreement with them" will in most cases be impossible. There was also POV material being inserted by people pushing a pandeist or panentheist agenda. With edits that are inaccurate, how can there be agreement? If you want to list the removals that bother you, then I will address every single one of them or discuss them with you. --Naturalistic (talk) 00:13, 8 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naturalistic (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your note, Naturalistic. I appreciate your explanation and I think it makes sense. I do think it would be quite helpful to add even a few words to your edit summaries giving an indication of why something removed was POV content or how the edit promotes NPOV. Having limited familiarity and knowledge of the topic, it has not been clear as I look at the edits and reversions. Also, I do have a sensitivity to situations where it might appear that someone is "guarding" an article, but it isn't clear to what end or with what understanding (even assuming good faith) -- perhaps based on my own tendency to do the same in my early days as an editor.
Thanks again, BCorr|Брайен 01:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:WilliamSloaneCoffinJr-BiographyCover.jpg


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deleting the account

Hello! I have a global account Impro, which is occupied by the English Wikipedia. I would like to make corrections in the English Wikipedia. Could You help me to take account Impro in English Wikipedia? My main account - in Russian Wikipedia Impro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impro-en (talkcontribs) 13:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

please help

hello! I am member of the Georgian Wikipedia. I have a Global Account in the name of David1010 but I can not combine it with other accounts. I do not remember my password or e-mail. Maybe you can help me to join the english account with other accounts. User:David1010-- (talk) 11:34, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Álvaro Moreno (comedian) for deletion

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Possibly unfree File:WJSloaneDiningRoomDisplay.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:WJSloaneDiningRoomDisplay.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Kelly hi! 20:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

1 question about copyright

Hello, Brian! Could you help me to explain: if I'm the only author of a flash site, can I upload its photos to commons.wikimedia, or thus I would violate the Adobe's copyright? --Søren 21:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceroi (talkcontribs)

You're invited! New England Wikimedia General Meeting

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New England Wikimedia General Meeting

The New England Wikimedia General Meeting will be a large-scale meetup of all Wikimedians (and friends) from the New England area in order to discuss regional coordination and possible formalization of our community (i.e., a chapter). Come hang out with other Wikimedians, learn more about ongoing activities, and help plan for the future!
Potential topics:
Sunday, April 22
1:30 PM – 4:30 PM
Conference Room C06, Johnson Building,
Boston Public Library—Central Library
700 Boylston St., Boston MA 02116
Please sign up here: Wikipedia:Meetup/New England!

Message delivered by Dominic at 09:08, 11 April 2012 (UTC). Note: You can remove your name from this meetup invite list here.

Hi I would like to change my username

My account was just created today, but I no longer want to use it so, since I can't delete it, is there a way I can change my username from KimCyanide to (NoName)? If you can do this, thanks a lot!KimCyanide (talk) 12:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)KimCyanide

Account Rename Please.

Hello, I would like my account changed from Trecom to retired, because I really would like my account deleted. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trecom (talkcontribs) 03:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
  • Research: The most recent DR data
  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?
Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->

--The Olive Branch 18:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

You're invited: Ada Lovelace, STEM women edit-a-thon at Harvard

U.S. Ada Lovelace Day 2012 edit-a-thon, Harvard University - You are invited!
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Now in its fourth year, Ada Lovelace Day is an international celebration of women in science, technology, engineering, mathematics (STEM), and related fields. Participants from around New England are invited to gather together at Harvard Law School to edit and create Wikipedia entries on women who have made significant contributions to the STEM fields.
Register to attend or sign up to participate remotely - visit this page to do either.
00:08, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Lupus Bellator

I've given him a formal warning about his use of minor edits (I see he made one after being asked not to in an edit summary) and have reverted a number of his edits. Clearly an editor with a pov agenda on race. Dougweller (talk) 09:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, Dougweller -- BCorr|Брайен 11:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Bcorr

I would like to apologize for my mistakes. I am still getting used to Wikipedia so I did not know the exact rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lupus Bellator (talkcontribs) 06:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your note, and know that it can be tough for an excited new editor. I'm happy to try to be of help as you navigate your way around the wiki! And by the way, it is great to see you keeping these items on your talk page: although you have every right to blank it, it helps others know that they are in dialogue with you much better than edit summaries do.
BCorr|Брайен 11:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Admin tabs

My problem was just my sheer stupidity. I'd done a complete history clear and purge because of another problem, and thought my admin tabs had disappeared. In fact, the had just reverted to a drop-down instead of the tabs I had originally selected. You said you were using a custom skin, does the problem persist in Vector?

Crat statement draft

Hi Bcorr

Following the drama at BN, I'm trying to come up with a statement all Crats could agree to. Please take a look, below.

I am quite content to do this onwiki -we have always worked transparently, except where secrecy is essential (ie RTV). I think we should be able to wordsmith a statement acceptable to all, and I think it's an important thing to do.

  1. In my opinion, this issue has come about through an unfortunate proliferation of documentation: policy, guideline, how-to etc
  2. I am not convinced that there is community consensus on all of the points encapsulated in those various pages
  3. I am unhappy at what may be described as some or all of: inconsistencies, inaccuracies or lack of clarity in that documentation
  4. I do not believe that any of the issues we have faced have been caused by Crats trying to widen their powers
  5. I would like to see the issues clarified, based on consensus, and for the documentation to be updated accordingly
  6. I'd like to thank Griot-de for generously withdrawing the rename request


[crat sig]

Lmk what you think. Many thanks, --Dweller (talk) 18:55, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Article notability notification

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request for usurpation

Hello, Bcorr. Can you help me to usurp my own (inactive) login? I've usurped it in my native wiki and I would like to unify my name (Ceroi to Søren). --Søren 23:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ceroi (talkcontribs)

Forced user renames coming soon for SUL

Hi, sorry for writing in English. I'm writing to ask you, as a bureaucrat of this wiki, to translate and review the notification that will be sent to all users, also on this wiki, who will be forced to change their user name on May 27 and will probably need your help with renames. You may also want to help with the pages m:Rename practices and m:Global rename policy. Thank you, Nemo 13:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Bcorr bw1.jpg missing description details

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VisualEditor newsletter

Hey Bcorr! We've just deployed some fixes to the VisualEditor. These include:

  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you're looking at (bug 49943)
  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you edited last time if this is your second edit (bug 50441)
  • VE edit section links will load the latest, not original, version in diff view preview (bug 50925)
  • <big><big>Foo</big></big> and similar repeated tags will not get corrupted any more (bug 49755)

In the meantime, testing is proceeding well, and hopefully we can get some more fixes out over the next couple of days. If you're interested in helping out, we have a set of open tasks we'd really appreciate your assistance with :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Bcorr

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

  • Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
  • Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
  • Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
  • The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
  • Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
  • Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
  • The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
  • Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
  • Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
  • The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
  • Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Bcorr! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

  • Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
  • Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
  • If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).
    You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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2nd Annual Wikimedia New England General Meeting

You are invited to the 2nd Annual Wikimedia New England General Meeting, on 20 July 2013 in Boston! We will be talking about the future of the chapter, including GLAM, Wiki Loves Monuments, and where we want to take our chapter in the future! EdwardsBot (talk) 09:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Annnnnd in celebration of the 9th anniversary of our first ever boston meetup, I'm buying drinks for the proud originals at S&S :-) – SJ + 02:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Bcorr; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

  • If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
  • If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
  • If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
  • sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
  • If you type at the end of links, they now extend
  • Templates now only take a single click to insert
  • Clear annotations clears links (50461)
  • The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
  • Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
  • Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
  • References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
  • The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
  • Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter

Hey Bcorr. The newest updates:

  • Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
  • Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
  • You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
  • We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
  • You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
  • Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
  • FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
  • Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013


It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (Template:Bug), scrolling (Template:Bug) and deleting (Template:Bug) on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (Template:Bug). Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (Template:Bug). Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

  • Horizontal alignment of images working correctly on more pages (Template:Bug)
  • Categories with ':'s in their names (like Category:Wikipedia:Privacy) now work correctly (Template:Bug)
  • Magic JavaScript gadgets and tools like sortable tables will now work once the page is saved (Template:Bug)
  • Keyboard shortcut for "clear annotations" - now Template:Keypress or Template:Keypress (Template:Bug)
  • Fixed corruption bugs that led to duplicate categories (Template:Bug) and improper collapsing when multiple new references were added in a row (Template:Bug).
  • Improvements to display elements: The save dialog in Monobook is restored to normal size (Template:Bug), pop-up notices on save now look the same in VisualEditor as in wikitext editor (Template:Bug), and the popup about using wikitext has a link to the definition of wikitext that now opens in a new window (Template:Bug)

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013


Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (Template:Bug) or in image captions (Template:Bug. Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (Template:Bug). Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (Template:Bug). We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (Template:Bug). You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (Template:Bug). Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Template:Key press and Template:Key press key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (Template:Bug).

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty Template:Para parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (Template:Bug).

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:34, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Глобальная учётная запись

Здравствуйте! Я провёл последний год в армии и немного отстал от жизни в Википедии, из-за чего пропустил глобализацию аккаунтов. Наибольшую активность я имею в Русской Википедии как User:Сидик из ПТУ, но в 2006-2007 совершил немало правок и здесь как User:Sidik iz PTU. Теперь мне хотелось бы именно этот профиль с историей правок иметь в качестве части глобальной учётной записи в энвики. Подобное мне уже помогли сделать в Commons, так что прошу и Вас: переименуйте пожалуйста User:Sidik iz PTU в User:Сидик из ПТУ, после чего я, наконец, объединю свою глобальную учётку с местным и Commons аккаунтом. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 10:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5


This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw you listed

Greetings! I saw you listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics/Money and politics task force. My idea is this: Money and politics in the United States should exist, in my opinion. A rough sketch of an outline is at User:Biosthmors/Money_and_politics_in_the_United_States. Feel free to join in or to start the article yourself. Might you be interested in chipping in? Please ping me with a my user name in your reply to trigger WP:Notifications. Best regards. Biosthmors (talk) 15:37, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You probably already know, but just in case, at Wikipedia:Notifications#Features it explains that if you link to another user's user page in a signed post it will trigger a notification. Thanks! Biosthmors (talk) 15:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013


VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. Template:Highlight

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Template:Key press sets a block as a regular paragraph; Template:Key press up to Template:Key press sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Template:Key press sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Template:Key press, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013


VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "MediaWiki:Visualeditor-preference-enable".

Template:Highlight (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Template:Key press or Template:Key press key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the Template:Key press key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Template:Key press or Template:Key press (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [7] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Template:Highlight The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Template:Highlight
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change to to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

New England Wikipedia Day @ MIT: Saturday Jan 18

NE Meetup #4: January 18 at MIT Building 5
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Dear Fellow Wikimedian,

You have been invited to the New England Wikimedians 2014 kick-off party and Wikipedia Day Celebration at Building Five on the Massachusetts Institute of Technology campus on Saturday, January 18th, from 3-5 PM. Afterwards, we will be holding an informal dinner at a local restaurant. If you are curious to join us, please do so, as we are always looking for people to come and give their opinion! Finally, be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.

I hope to see you there! Kevin Rutherford (talk)

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Brenda Watson

I removed the PROD tag from Brenda Watson, since it's been proposed for deletion unsuccessfully in the past. I'm notifying you in case you want to take the article for AfD. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 23:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Template:Highlight In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:02, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014


Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

  • The main priority is redesigning the reference dialog, with the goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs and URLs and streamlining the process. Current concept drawings are available at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Template:Highlight
  • A few bugs in the existing reference dialog were fixed. The toolbar was simplified to remove galleries and lists from the reference dialog. When you re-use references, it now correctly displays the references again, rather than just the number and name. If you paste content into a dialog that can't fit there (e.g. ==section headings== in references), it now strips out the inappropriate HTML.
  • You can now edit image galleries inside VisualEditor. At this time, the gallery tool is a very limited option that gives you access to the wikitext. It will see significant improvements at a later date.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu is being redesigned. Your feedback on the special character inserter is still wanted, especially if you depend on Wikipedia's character inserters for your normal editing rather than using the ones built into your computer.
  • You can now see a help page about keyboard shortcuts in the page menu (three bars next to the Cancel button) (Template:Bug).
  • If you edit categories, your changes will now display correctly after saving the page (Template:Bug).
  • Saving the page should be faster now (Template:Bug).
  • Any community can ask to test a new tool to edit TemplateData by leaving a note at Template:Bug.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

You're invited: Women's History Edit-a-thons in Massachusetts this March

Women's History Edit-a-thons in Massachusetts this March - You are invited!
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New England Wikimedians is excited to announce a series of Wikipedia edit-a-thons that will be taking place at colleges and universities throughout Massachusetts as part of Wikiwomen's History Month from March 1 - March 31. We encourage you to join in an edit-a-thon near you, or to participate remotely if you are unable to attend in person (for the full list of articles, click here). Events are currently planned for the cities/towns of Boston, Northampton, South Hadley, and Cambridge. Further information on dates and locations can be found on our user group page.
Questions? Contact Girona7 (talk)